Comments on: The first 5 rounds-trying to digest it all http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:31:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Coach Fred http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2803 Coach Fred Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:20:40 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2803 This is going to be challenging for the team with picks like these this season. Let's just wait, see, and be hopeful that this people are worth picking for. Who knows, right? This is going to be challenging for the team with picks like these this season. Let’s just wait, see, and be hopeful that this people are worth picking for. Who knows, right?

]]> By: Shhhh http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2204 Shhhh Sat, 09 Jun 2007 20:15:01 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2204 Okay, so I was bored and felt like finding out the opposite of what I just did. So I spent 20 minutes to do the best GO/AO for the college hitters that were selected on the first day. (This data doesn't mean as much as it does for pitchers, but AO are a lot better than GO for hitters, at least in my opinion. AO can be line drives, fly balls, or pop ups.) Kyle Russell 27/66 0.41 Todd Frazier 28/59 0.47 Tyler Mach 42/74 0.57 Brandon Guyer 37/64 0.58 JP Arencibia 36/60 0.60 Josh Horton 52/87 0.60 Eric Sogard 35/56 0.63 Brian Rike 40/62 0.65 Matt Wieters 37/55 0.67 Lars Davis 40/56 0.71 Grant Desme 30/41 0.73 Edward Easley 48/66 0.73 Beau Mills 46/59 0.78 Bradley Suttle 57/73 0.78 Darwin Barney 52/65 0.80 Jonathan Lucroy 59/74 0.80 Okay, so I was bored and felt like finding out the opposite of what I just did. So I spent 20 minutes to do the best GO/AO for the college hitters that were selected on the first day. (This data doesn’t mean as much as it does for pitchers, but AO are a lot better than GO for hitters, at least in my opinion. AO can be line drives, fly balls, or pop ups.)

Kyle Russell 27/66 0.41
Todd Frazier 28/59 0.47
Tyler Mach 42/74 0.57
Brandon Guyer 37/64 0.58
JP Arencibia 36/60 0.60
Josh Horton 52/87 0.60
Eric Sogard 35/56 0.63
Brian Rike 40/62 0.65
Matt Wieters 37/55 0.67
Lars Davis 40/56 0.71
Grant Desme 30/41 0.73
Edward Easley 48/66 0.73
Beau Mills 46/59 0.78
Bradley Suttle 57/73 0.78
Darwin Barney 52/65 0.80
Jonathan Lucroy 59/74 0.80

]]> By: Shhhh http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2192 Shhhh Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:24:46 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2192 Got them from collegesplits.com Unfortunately, as of right now you can only get the info for the guys seleceted on the first day which sucks but better than nothing. I am still suprised we picked Eager over someone like Rzepczynski, but thats just looking at the numbers really. The only thing I could really find on Rzepczynski was that he could be a lefty specialist which really isn't all that promising, but his college numbers are pretty impressive so I don't know. Another interesting fact about Rzepczynski is he didn't allow any HR this year, damn I'm thinking the Cards missed something here. Got them from collegesplits.com Unfortunately, as of right now you can only get the info for the guys seleceted on the first day which sucks but better than nothing.

I am still suprised we picked Eager over someone like Rzepczynski, but thats just looking at the numbers really. The only thing I could really find on Rzepczynski was that he could be a lefty specialist which really isn’t all that promising, but his college numbers are pretty impressive so I don’t know. Another interesting fact about Rzepczynski is he didn’t allow any HR this year, damn I’m thinking the Cards missed something here.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2190 erik Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:44:00 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2190 Shhh.. very interesting. Where did you get those GO/AO ratios from? Shhh..

very interesting. Where did you get those GO/AO ratios from?

]]> By: Shhhh http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2185 Shhhh Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:27:05 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2185 Just thought this would be decent info, here are all the college pitchers who had a GO/AO of 2.00 or above this season that were selected on the first day. Chris Province RP- 2.91(64/22)GO/AO, 8.31 K/9 David Kopp SP- 2.63(147/56)GO/AO, 7.21 K/9 Marc Rzepczynski SP- 2.58(85/33)GO/AO, 10.70 K/9 Stephen Clyne RP- 2.21(53/24)GO/AO, 9.99 K/9 Clayton Mortenson SP- 2.19(149/68)GO/AO, 9.52 K/9 Andrew Brackman SP- 2.18(96/44)GO/AO, 9.08 K/9 Sam Demel RP- 2.08(50/24)G0/AO, 13.03 K/9 Jess Todd SP/RP- 2.00(90/45)GO/AO, 12.71 K/9 Looking at this info makes me very suprised we picked Thomas Eager over Marc Pzepczynski, whom went a couple picks later. Also the same with picking Kyle Russell over Chris Province, I guess if Luhnow didn't get the go ahead to spend money Province may have been the pick. Also, makes me think how high they had Brackman on there board, and how much higher Kozma was than Brackman. Or how much more they liked Descalso over Clyne and Demel. Just some random thoughts I had. Just thought this would be decent info, here are all the college pitchers who had a GO/AO of 2.00 or above this season that were selected on the first day.

Chris Province RP- 2.91(64/22)GO/AO, 8.31 K/9
David Kopp SP- 2.63(147/56)GO/AO, 7.21 K/9
Marc Rzepczynski SP- 2.58(85/33)GO/AO, 10.70 K/9
Stephen Clyne RP- 2.21(53/24)GO/AO, 9.99 K/9
Clayton Mortenson SP- 2.19(149/68)GO/AO, 9.52 K/9
Andrew Brackman SP- 2.18(96/44)GO/AO, 9.08 K/9
Sam Demel RP- 2.08(50/24)G0/AO, 13.03 K/9
Jess Todd SP/RP- 2.00(90/45)GO/AO, 12.71 K/9

Looking at this info makes me very suprised we picked Thomas Eager over Marc Pzepczynski, whom went a couple picks later. Also the same with picking Kyle Russell over Chris Province, I guess if Luhnow didn’t get the go ahead to spend money Province may have been the pick. Also, makes me think how high they had Brackman on there board, and how much higher Kozma was than Brackman. Or how much more they liked Descalso over Clyne and Demel. Just some random thoughts I had.

]]> By: Laurie Comaid http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2145 Laurie Comaid Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:36:30 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2145 Blake Beavan would have been nice because of his pitching status in college. I think the Cardinals had a good overall draft this year, especially when compared to the Cubs. Do you think we will do well next season with the new player that you dislike (Clayton Mortenson )? Blake Beavan would have been nice because of his pitching status in college. I think the Cardinals had a good overall draft this year, especially when compared to the Cubs. Do you think we will do well next season with the new player that you dislike (Clayton Mortenson )?

]]> By: Bill http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2113 Bill Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:42:35 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2113 From the PD on Russell "Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. and general manager Walt Jocketty agreed on the potentially costly pick before Luhnow made it, the farm director said." I really wonder how prevalent those conversations were. In other words...do they have to call the miserly DeWitt before each pick? It seems so backwards to me. In that, even the lower payroll, cheaper teams recognize that it makes more sense to pay a lot of money for a highly touted prospect, than a lot of money on a middling veteran in a crazy market. While that money is high in draft terms...it is low in relation to a veteran starting pitcher. In other words, I would rather give a great pitching prospect a big bonus ($1M+)...if it means when he finally does make it to the show we will be paying less annual salary than what Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan received. It seems like 2005 was such a successful draft. We took a risk on a lot of high school guys and it seems to have panned out...and for some reason they strayed from that. I don't get it. I feel like it has to be for monetary reasons. The purse strings seem to have tightened a lot in the past two years. From the PD on Russell

“Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. and general manager Walt Jocketty agreed on the potentially costly pick before Luhnow made it, the farm director said.”

I really wonder how prevalent those conversations were. In other words…do they have to call the miserly DeWitt before each pick?

It seems so backwards to me. In that, even the lower payroll, cheaper teams recognize that it makes more sense to pay a lot of money for a highly touted prospect, than a lot of money on a middling veteran in a crazy market. While that money is high in draft terms…it is low in relation to a veteran starting pitcher. In other words, I would rather give a great pitching prospect a big bonus ($1M+)…if it means when he finally does make it to the show we will be paying less annual salary than what Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan received.

It seems like 2005 was such a successful draft. We took a risk on a lot of high school guys and it seems to have panned out…and for some reason they strayed from that. I don’t get it. I feel like it has to be for monetary reasons. The purse strings seem to have tightened a lot in the past two years.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2112 erik Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:37:17 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2112 Ryan- That's a good question. Of course, we'll know for sure in 2-3 years. I liked the Ottavino pick last year, loved Chris Perez and Mark Hamilton picks, was whelmed but ok with Jon Jay, hated the Tom Furnish and Gary Daley picks, was relatively happy with Eddie Degerman and wasn't a fan of the selection of Shane Robinson. This year I'm ...I'm sorta ok with Kozma and Todd, love Russell (if they can sign him) and hate the rest. Last year I'd give them a C+, B-. This year I'd give them a C-, D+. But again, I'm judging by scouting reports and rankings from third hand info. These guys are insiders, so I'd trust their judgment over mine. I just think they left a lot on the table, and reached when many times when it sure seemed totally unnecessary. Ryan-
That’s a good question. Of course, we’ll know for sure in 2-3 years. I liked the Ottavino pick last year, loved Chris Perez and Mark Hamilton picks, was whelmed but ok with Jon Jay, hated the Tom Furnish and Gary Daley picks, was relatively happy with Eddie Degerman and wasn’t a fan of the selection of Shane Robinson.
This year I’m …I’m sorta ok with Kozma and Todd, love Russell (if they can sign him) and hate the rest. Last year I’d give them a C+, B-. This year I’d give them a C-, D+.
But again, I’m judging by scouting reports and rankings from third hand info. These guys are insiders, so I’d trust their judgment over mine. I just think they left a lot on the table, and reached when many times when it sure seemed totally unnecessary.

]]> By: Shhhh http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2111 Shhhh Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:26:40 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2111 So I was bored and so I determined what we could have had drafted yesterday, and this is what I came up with. 18. Rick Porcello 36. Justin Jackson/Michael Burgess 71. Nevin Griffith 82. Jack McGeary 112. Matt Harvey 142. Jake Arrieta/Kyle Russell 172. Will Middlebrooks So I was bored and so I determined what we could have had drafted yesterday, and this is what I came up with.

18. Rick Porcello
36. Justin Jackson/Michael Burgess
71. Nevin Griffith
82. Jack McGeary
112. Matt Harvey
142. Jake Arrieta/Kyle Russell
172. Will Middlebrooks

]]> By: ryan vb http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2110 ryan vb Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:21:02 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/06/07/the-first-5-picks-trying-to-digest-it-all/#comment-2110 E- How do grade this year's draft over last summer's? It sure seems like they did better in 06 with two of the top three picks already at AA. E-
How do grade this year’s draft over last summer’s? It sure seems like they did better in 06 with two of the top three picks already at AA.

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