Move Him On Up Installments: QC Hitters, QC Pitchers, PB hitters, PB Pitchers, SP Hitters
I have a confession to make. Maybe it’s the concept of TINSTAAPP or the fact that I love pitcher’s duels but I love looking at pitching prospects. Colby Rasmus is undoubtedly the best prospect in our system and yet for me, he’s far from the most interesting. I know, I know — I’m just this side of crazy but it’s the truth. The low minors give a lot of pitchers the mirage of prospectdom (see Trey Hearne QC 2006). Whether it’s age or facing inferior competition or batters simply not having the muscle to clobber bad pitches, the Cardinals minor league system has a lot of pitching in the low minors.
Of that pitching, very little of it will make it to the majors. Of relievers, Maiques and Gregerson are the only two that will probably make it past 50IP in the majors. I’m not a fan of relievers as prospects so it’s hard to get excited about middle relievers putting up good numbers. The starters are a little more promising. Ottavino is an obvious answer and I like Adam Daniels (I wish I was lefthanded — and talented for that matter). Eddie Degerman, Tyler Herron and Shaun Garceau are nice prospects down in low-A. That’s not to say that other pitchers couldn’t emerge (Blake King, PJ Walters) but I like those 5 as the best shots to contribute at the major leageue level. What’s frustrating is that after high-A, the system is bereft of almost any real pitching prospects. But without dithering around for much longer let’s see who is on the way up from Palm Beach:
Adam Ottavino - DOB: 11/22/1985
Adam Daniels - DOB: 08/16/1982
Luke Gregerson - DOB: 05/14/1984
Scott Vander Weg - DOB: 12/14/1982
Two relievers and two starters. I think we can sort through some of the crap less talented pitching at Springfield to make room. When we move them up we’ve got to have room at Memphis (not a problem). Springfield pitchers are looking up at:
Starting Pitchers: Blake Hawksworth, Mike Parisi, Chris Narveson (DL)
Relief Pitchers: Troy Cate, Dennis Dove (DL), Chris Lambert, Mike Sillman, Mark Worrell
That’s a relief core with some upside. Troy Cate is starting right now but he’s the next Randy Flores. He’ll be converted back to relief as soon as the Cardinals realize he’s not capable of getting through the lineup more than once. The starters are nothing to get too excited about but I’ll look at everyone’s upside when we get to Memphis. For now let’s see who has earned a promotion from Springfield.
Solving the Staters:
Kevin Ool - DOB: 01/04/1981
2007 Stats: 43IP, 5.44 ERA, 10.6% K rate, 5.85 BsRA9
Kevin Ool is 26. Kevin Ool is a converted reliever (which has failed). Kevin Ool has not been a good pitcher in three years at AA. Kevin Ool has no future with the organization. Verdict: Bullpen or the boot
Mitchell Boggs - DOB: 02/15/1984
2007 Stats: 68IP, 4.24 ERA, 14.9% K rate, 10.4% BB rate, 4.20 FIP
All his peripherals support that Boggs has been a mediocre pitcher. I’m certainly not advocating writing him off like I did Ool but Boggs is feeling the hurt of not being in A-ball anymore. His walk rate has climbed his K rate has declined and he’s allowing more hits. Boggs is only 23 so he’s still got time and he isn’t getting hammered at this new level of competition having only allowed 4 HR in 68 IP and batters slugging under .400 against him. Looking at his splits by inning, Boggs is getting hit hard in the 4th inning. If I can speculate wildly on why, that would be around the time the heart of the opposing lineup would see Boggs for the second time. I imagine hitters are getting better reads on his fastball. Again, wild speculation, but he should make sure that he’s varying his pitches the second time through the lineup to give them something new to look at. Verdict: Stayin’ put
Jaime Garcia - DOB: 07/08/1986
2007 Stats: 67.2IP, 3.72ERA, 60K:30BB, 2.09 GO:AO, 4.68FIP
Everyone heard of young Jaime (prounounced Hi-may) as he rocketed up prospect watch lists pitching in the Futures Game and splitting time between Quad Cities and Palm Beach. Easily the best pitching prospect in the Cardinals’ system he combines high-K rates with high-groundball rates. He features a very good curveball to go with his heavy sinking fastball. He’s been accused of falling in love with the curveball and falling into a predictable pattern of pitch selection. If I was a 20-year-old with a plus-curveball, please excuse me if I threw it just to admire it leave my hand. While he’s holding his own at AA, Garcia’s walk rate has doubled and he’s had problems going deep into games. There’s no reason to rush this one. Verdict: Stayin put’
Cory Rauschenberger - DOB: 07/31/1984
2007 Stats: 57.1IP, 5.97 ERA, 11.7% K rate
This is the stuff that makes me want to go knock on Luhnow’s door and have a chat. I’m baffled why players like Rauschenberger (formerly Cory Meacham) is allowed to continually suck at pitching while better prospects are left mired below him. Maybe they “see” something in Cory but I see Adam Ottavino as being the better pitcher between the two with better odds to pitch well at Springfield. I just don’t understand it. There’s not alot to say about Cory. In 2006, he put up some decent ERAs with shoddy peripherals and has been terrible during 2007. 10 HRs in 57 innings, blech. Verdict: Bullpen or the boot
Routing the Relievers:
Jason Motte - DOB: 06/22/1982
2007 Stats: 32IP, 30K:14BB, 2.98FIP, 14.4% BB rate (at Springfield)
Motte converted from crappy-hitting catcher to respectable relief prospect to start out 2006. He’s still striking out batters at a good rate in Springfield but his walk rate has tripled in the 22 innings. It’s not something to be concerned about yet. He’s got time to work through his control issues but I worry about his repetoire. Relying on a fastball with zip, I don’t know if he has the secondary stuff to make it through the ranks. Again, he’s got time to work on that. Control issues aside, when you strikeout batters like Motte does you can get away with walking batters like Brandon Morrow does. If I was the Cardinals, I’d dump everybody who’s anybody of a reliever into AAA. And since the whole point of this exercise is for me to make the decisions. . . Verdict: Move him on up
Nick Webber - DOB: 05/09/1984
2007 Stats: 31.1IP, 24K:14BB, 2.04 GO:AO, 3.01FIP
Looks an awful lot like Motte’s line. Webber was a starter last year in Palm Beach and was shifted over to relief after striking out less than 4.5/9IP. He had a 1:1 K:BB ratio and survived mainly on his strong groundball tendencies. He’s done better in the pen but I’m not overly optomistic about him as a prospect. He seems like the last member of a bad bullpen. With Motte moving up, I’ll leave Webber here to see if he can get the Ks up a touch more. Verdict: Stayin’ put
Matthew Scherer - DOB: 01/20/1983
2007 Stats: 34.2IP, 36K:13BB, 3.73 FIP, 11.45K/9 vs. RH
Why doesn’t he get more press? While pitchers like Sillman and Perez and Worrell steal the ink, Scherer struck out 106 in 80.1 innings last year at Palm Beach. He had a 5:1 K:BB ratio in 2006. 106 punchouts is more than some of the finesse and control college starters the Cardinals persist in drafting. As expected the K rate is coming down and the walk rate went up as he graduated to AA this year. He’s got some ROOGy splits going on here too. He strikes out nearly 5 more batters per 9IP from the right side compared to the left this year. Last year the split was 3K/9. I’d guess his breaking stuff doesn’t play as well to LH as it does to RH but still the K rates are more than acceptable. Again, getting overshadowed by players like Perez is easy to do but Scherer has the numbers that point to an MLB setup man upside. Verdict: Move him on up
Chris Perez - DOB: 07/01/1985
2007 Stats: 27.1 IP, 44K:15BB, 0.48 GO:AO, .149 OBA
Let me be clear about this: I don’t like teams drafting college relievers in the first round. It almost never makes sense given their limited role and unless you end up with a Joe Nathan or Francisco Rodriguez, it just doesn’t have the impact that a 1st round pick should. I understand why teams pick relievers high (Rockies picked Weathers #8 this year), I just think it’s a bad strategy. That said, Perez has delivered on most of what was promised. He’s a potential closer with a plus-slider and plus-fastball (in terms of velocity). The difference between Perez-decent-MLB-setup-man and Perez-good-not-great-closer is command. It’s not all there in the walks. Perez tends to lose any command of the strike zone whatsoever which leads to wild pitches, walks and hit batters. When he’s good, he’s o so good. When he’s bad, he’s o so bad. Still, you draft these types of relievers to move quickly and Perez has earned a promotion again. Verdict: Move him on up
So I’ve made room for Ottavino and Daniels in the rotation by doing away with the craptacular duo of Ool and Rauschenberger. I don’t really care where they go be it to the bullpen or another team. They just aren’t starters and that’s not difficult to see. The relievers at AA are pretty intriguing even if the starters aren’t. Moving up players like Perez, Motte and Scherer with their high-strikeout potential isn’t hard given some of the mediocrity that currently resides in Memphis. Sadly, I won’t be sending Memphis any starters.
Next time, I’ll look at the Memphis position players and a) make room for the promotions from Springfield and b) determine what the upside is for the players there.
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good stuff. i cringe every time i see a box score and find that Ool or Rauschenwrecker are starting. they get ground balls, but not much else.
speaking of box scores, not to steal your thunder for tomorrow’s daily, but i think the Swing found their catcher. after starting alvarado at third for a while, he started at C today. He threw out 4 of 5 basestealers and cranked out a couple of doubles.
I had no idea that Rauschenberger had changed his name from Meacham. Anyone know why? Did he get married?
i’m leaving ottavino right where he is. he will be 21 the whole season, and he still has some work to do before he moves up. sure he strikes a lot of guys out, but he would get absolutely crushed in the texas league with the control he is showing right now. he walks a guy every other inning and if you listen to his starts he is always behind in the count. he is also pretty hittable for a guy with his type of stuff giving up a hit per inning. his 3.54 ERA is nice, but it doesn’t look that good when you consider the league he is in and see what some of the other highly ranked starters in that league have put up this year. not to mention the fact that he was coming off 3 of his worst starts of the season prior to his 7 inning outing last time out. if he can start throwing strikes more consistently maybe he gets a short look in august, but i would have no problem leaving him in the FSL all season.
I agree with fewgoodcards, I have seen ottavino and neither he nor daniels really are that great, imho. they both could benefit from a year in the FSL. I have seen daniels (lefties are needed i understand) just get hammered a couple times. they both have had times of pitching well but are so inconsistent.
Daniels is 25 — so age isn’t a reason to hold him back. I disagree on Ottavino. I don’t think it would hurt him one bit to move up and get hammered a few times. Letting him face hitters who won’t capitalize on his mistakes allows him to continue making them without consequence. I stand behind the decision to move him up (and that was something I suggested from about 2 weeks ago. . .just trying to stick with my previous posts).
???? What is the deal with PJ Walters ???? I hear good and sometimes great things about him. What are his strengths and weaknesses ???? What is the story with his fastball ????
Also, What are the chances of Tyler Norrick or Brad Furnish seeing a big league rotation ????
I can’t speak to Walters stuff as I’ve never seen him.
re Furnish: I saw him in Quad Cities on Labor day and came away totally unimpressed. He was in the mid to upper 80s the entire game. Even assuming the gun was slow he certainly wasn’t topping 92 and was, at best, sitting around 90. He’d flash a good curveball on occasion but had no control over the pitch. My estimation is that he’s a 5th starter at best and probably more of a Randy Kiesler always at AAA kind of starter.
Norrick is putting up some decent numbers at Palm Beach but his BABIP is low and that’s a pitchers park. Some people are higher on him than me but I haven’t seen anything in his numbers that impresses me yet.
john–
i’ve also seen Furnish and came away more impressed then AZ, so maybe his velocity is up and down per game. i saw him throwing in the 90-91 range and i’d rate his FB as “sneaky” fast. i still agree with the assessment that he’s a bottom of the rotation guy, or a LOOGy. he had a nice curveball and a so-so cutter. i wouldn’t think he’s randy keisler, or at least i wouldn’t hope, but i can see the comparison. let’s say keisler is what he becomes if things go wrong, randy flores is what he probably becomes, and we can reasonably expect him to be like a Nate Robertson.
as for Norrick, scouts like him because he throws in the low to mid nineties and he’s a lefty, but his #’s don’t match his reported talent. Kevin Goldstein identified him as a possible sleeper when i was corresponding with him in the li’l q and a i posted here not long ago. Lastly, as for Walters. I’ve heard from a known writer he’s a real soft-tosser. Goold reported he has a filthy change in one of his recent reports. and BA said he has a plus slider, the best in the conference he pitched in college (SWAC). So i’d guess it would be minus fastball, plus change, plus slider would be his arsenal.
“I disagree on Ottavino. I don’t think it would hurt him one bit to move up and get hammered a few times. Letting him face hitters who won’t capitalize on his mistakes allows him to continue making them without consequence. I stand behind the decision to move him up (and that was something I suggested from about 2 weeks ago. . .just trying to stick with my previous posts).”
lambert was moved up at about this time in 2005, got hammered, and never recovered. i just don’t believe in moving guys up mid-season unless they are dominating their level of competition (especially from high-A to AA, i could see a move from low-A to high-A) like eddie degerman is right now. there is something to be said about letting a guy experience success and its not like ottavino is an older guy that needs to be moved at a quicker pace. ottavino is the age of this year’s college juniors, so he is already ahead of the curve. he could pitch all year at palm beach and start off next year in AA at the ripe old age of 22. this is only adam’s first full season, it is more important for him to just go out and make every start and get experience.
FGC - That’s a good point but I don’t think Lambert and Ottavino are comparable pitchers. Lambert moved up a level and his flyball tendencies bit him in the … well they didn’t translate well. Ottavino is posting better peripheral numbers than Lambert across the board (with the exception that he walks more batters). Again, when I posted the PB article two weeks ago that was just after Ottavino had a rough couple games. His last effort was much better and I think he had minor blip in what has been a very successful season. I’d like to see Ottavino in Springfield before the season is over for a good 6-8 starts, minimum.
to answer john about walters.just so you know my son pitches for cedar rapids, he grew up with pj.his dad coached them in travel ball.i have been watching pj pitch since he was 9. i watched him in HS , college & now last week i went up to cedar rapids & davenport for the 4 games.he wasnt drafted or recruited out of hs because he didnt throw hard enough.he was 80-82. in college his junior year his fastball was 84-86 until the 100+ pitch count then it would jump to 89-91. he throws as hard as he has to. . you will see him give up alot of hits sometime because he is always around the plate. he shouldnt be considered a soft tosser. last week i saw all 8 starters for qc & the only 2 that threw over 90 was king & garceau , all others were 84-90. pj sat at 87 topping at 89.he is the most confident (not cocky) kid i have ever been around.i asked him the other night about his 30 scoreless innings & his answer was he could have done better.you guys have a good one here , he will pitch in the bigs ,he would have been drafted higher out of college but alot of teams were concerned about his 3 year workload. he is definately not a 11th rounder…well that should be a good scouting report.. i just hope my son gets it going soon he has been struggling . he did get a cheap win in relief against pj the other night so that was fun for all.we got to rag pj a little about that..
What a shame it would be if Kevin Ool failed to establish himself as a LOOGY. His splits sure don’t support it, but what a name!
Big Red -
Dropping the Meacham thing had to do with dropping either his birth father or step-father’s last name. That said, I don’t recall if the motivation was to drop the old one or pick up the new one…