Comments on: The kontinuation of the Kozma kerfluffle http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:30:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: duckymedwick7 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3953 duckymedwick7 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:40:26 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3953 ha ha ha, very true. i really think batavia is sooo bad is b/c of that horrible field and no fan support. it's really goota suck for the guys coming out of big time college programs. ha ha ha, very true. i really think batavia is sooo bad is b/c of that horrible field and no fan support. it’s really goota suck for the guys coming out of big time college programs.

]]> By: cariocacardinal http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3952 cariocacardinal Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:17:17 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3952 GCL? No way I let him play in sunny Florida. Batavia has terrible facilities - that's where I'm sending him! GCL? No way I let him play in sunny Florida. Batavia has terrible facilities - that’s where I’m sending him!

]]> By: duckymedwick7 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3949 duckymedwick7 Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:00:26 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3949 so the kid possibly backed out of a pre-draft deal??? helluva way to start your career, how's the gulf coast league sound to you kid? so the kid possibly backed out of a pre-draft deal??? helluva way to start your career, how’s the gulf coast league sound to you kid?

]]> By: cardsfan1 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3941 cardsfan1 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:29:24 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3941 From what I hear, Kozma had worked out a pre-draft deal with the cards. He was probably going to sign for a little less than slot if the cards took him as their pick. Rumor has it that now Kozma thinks that if the Cardinals didn't take him he would have went around the same area and have gotten more than what the cards are offering him. From what I hear, Kozma had worked out a pre-draft deal with the cards. He was probably going to sign for a little less than slot if the cards took him as their pick. Rumor has it that now Kozma thinks that if the Cardinals didn’t take him he would have went around the same area and have gotten more than what the cards are offering him.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3930 erik Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:28:14 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3930 fgc...i'm not slamming him, i'm saying i don't care if they sign him. i have a right to to that, myself and az write at this blog. you calling gomez small time and acting like if he knew what the heck he was talking about he'd be a big league scout or whatever i find terribly rude. people have to start somewhere, and as i noted he's received national attention from rob neyer, praising his work. i told you i'm done with this conversation, so please just drop it...OK???? fgc…i’m not slamming him, i’m saying i don’t care if they sign him. i have a right to to that, myself and az write at this blog. you calling gomez small time and acting like if he knew what the heck he was talking about he’d be a big league scout or whatever i find terribly rude. people have to start somewhere, and as i noted he’s received national attention from rob neyer, praising his work. i told you i’m done with this conversation, so please just drop it…OK????

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3928 fewgoodcards Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:15:20 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3928 erik, i know you said you were done with this, but i was just trying to make a point with my last post. you say there is no reason to slam gomez, but you continually slam kozma. what is the difference? erik, i know you said you were done with this, but i was just trying to make a point with my last post. you say there is no reason to slam gomez, but you continually slam kozma. what is the difference?

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3890 erik Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:34:34 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3890 good lord fgc, get a grip...i'm sorry, but there's no reason to be slamming gomez like that. rob neyer called his research some of the most important work done right now on the web...and i'd hardly call the Hardball Times small time. i'm through with this conversation...normally, i really like your opinions but i thinking your crossing the line. sorry...i get your point, callis and ba is great, they are smart guys and if you prefer to use their judgment that's fine. no need to slam a guy in the process, and insult someone who's been nothing but great to the readers at this site. good lord fgc, get a grip…i’m sorry, but there’s no reason to be slamming gomez like that. rob neyer called his research some of the most important work done right now on the web…and i’d hardly call the Hardball Times small time. i’m through with this conversation…normally, i really like your opinions but i thinking your crossing the line. sorry…i get your point, callis and ba is great, they are smart guys and if you prefer to use their judgment that’s fine. no need to slam a guy in the process, and insult someone who’s been nothing but great to the readers at this site.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3888 fewgoodcards Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:27:28 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3888 i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree (although i wasn't just talking about his assessment of kozma). gomez may call himself a scout, but he obviously doesn't work for any team. i like to get my information from as many sources as possible (baseball america, pgcrosschecker, perfect game, john sickels, keith law, patrick ebert), and i know it is second hand, but i would rather take what guys like jim callis and allan simpson say b/c they are getting their info from real scouts. he may work with actual players, but i haven't heard of any of his guys doing anything in professional baseball. all he is is a guy that works for a small time baseball website, if he was as good as he thinks he is, he would be writing for a bigger name website or be working for an actual team. i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree (although i wasn’t just talking about his assessment of kozma). gomez may call himself a scout, but he obviously doesn’t work for any team. i like to get my information from as many sources as possible (baseball america, pgcrosschecker, perfect game, john sickels, keith law, patrick ebert), and i know it is second hand, but i would rather take what guys like jim callis and allan simpson say b/c they are getting their info from real scouts. he may work with actual players, but i haven’t heard of any of his guys doing anything in professional baseball. all he is is a guy that works for a small time baseball website, if he was as good as he thinks he is, he would be writing for a bigger name website or be working for an actual team.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3886 erik Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:00:22 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3886 i do put a lot of stock in what he says because HE IS A SCOUT. His job is to analyzes players mechanics. He also happens to work with ACTUAL baseball players. I trust what he has to say. I can't speak for Gomez on what he thinks of Jeter's swing and neither should you take such guesses. he didn't like Kozma because he pushes with his hands, limiting his power. power isn't just homers, it's doubles and liners, too. i'll take a TTO hitter over most of your slap and dash types anyday. note the word most. i hope his swing mechanics have changed drastically, but in a recent article re: kozma's coach, he literally yells at his kids to swing the way we see in the video... i guess we can agree to disagree if you want. i'm not just basing everything on what gomez says, but his comments certainly swayed me over to the negative side along with what others have said. i do put a lot of stock in what he says because HE IS A SCOUT. His job is to analyzes players mechanics. He also happens to work with ACTUAL baseball players. I trust what he has to say.

I can’t speak for Gomez on what he thinks of Jeter’s swing and neither should you take such guesses. he didn’t like Kozma because he pushes with his hands, limiting his power. power isn’t just homers, it’s doubles and liners, too.

i’ll take a TTO hitter over most of your slap and dash types anyday. note the word most.

i hope his swing mechanics have changed drastically, but in a recent article re: kozma’s coach, he literally yells at his kids to swing the way we see in the video…

i guess we can agree to disagree if you want. i’m not just basing everything on what gomez says, but his comments certainly swayed me over to the negative side along with what others have said.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3885 fewgoodcards Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:31:08 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/07/16/the-kontinuation-of-the-kozma-kerfluffle/#comment-3885 "gomez totally soured me on kozma. that’s all i have to say. swings can be fixed, but he seemed to think he was a future utility player. i wonder if he’s adam kennedy at short. (not the 07 version)" you really put a lot of stock in what this guy has to say. remember it is just his opinion and he doesn't rely on what scouts have to say or anything. i like to read what he has to say, but i just don't agree with a lot of what he says (i think he does a lot better job with pitchers than he does with hitters). i tried to look back through the archives and find some analysis of past drafts he has done to see how accurate he was, but there weren't any. this is the first year he has done this, so we don't really know how good he is at evaluating players. he could be right nearly all of the time, or he could be full of crap for all we know. another thing i am leary of when considering his opinion on kozma is he is going off of a 2 minute video clip that is over a year old (that is a video from his summer league team last year). kozma could have already fixed all of the problems that he pointed out for all we know. the one thing that really made me skeptical of gomez was his love for kyle russell's swing. sure the guy has power, but he set the all time strikeout record last year on the cape and hit under .200. this year at texas he struck out 64 times in 223 at bats. the guy has major holes in his swing, but gomez just talked about how much he liked it. from reading his articles, i have come to the conclusion that he is all about the power. that is why 2 of his favorites are matt laporta and kyle russell, 2 of the most prolific power hitters in recent college baseball history, and why he doesn't like guys like kozma and revere. i know that it is impossible to know, but i think if gomez was doing this in the early 90's he wouldn't have liked derek jeter's inside out swing b/c it didn't have the power potential to be a top 10 pick. now i'm not saying pete kozma is in derek jeter's class, but i was trying to think of a star player that wouldn't have fit what gomez likes in a hitter. if there is anything i have learned from following the draft it is that guys who strikeout a ton in college even if they hit for average and hit for power in college will not make enough contact to hit for average in pro ball. look at guys like tyler greene and drew stubbs from recent years. these guys have all the tools in the world and are better all-around players than russell, hit for a better average than russell in college, but they can't hit in the minors. in the case of kyle russell, you can have all the power in the world, but if you can't hit for at least a respectable average you are nothing more than joe borchard. i don't see how you just totally dismiss that aspect of hitting like gomez seems to do. “gomez totally soured me on kozma. that’s all i have to say. swings can be fixed, but he seemed to think he was a future utility player. i wonder if he’s adam kennedy at short. (not the 07 version)”

you really put a lot of stock in what this guy has to say. remember it is just his opinion and he doesn’t rely on what scouts have to say or anything. i like to read what he has to say, but i just don’t agree with a lot of what he says (i think he does a lot better job with pitchers than he does with hitters). i tried to look back through the archives and find some analysis of past drafts he has done to see how accurate he was, but there weren’t any. this is the first year he has done this, so we don’t really know how good he is at evaluating players. he could be right nearly all of the time, or he could be full of crap for all we know. another thing i am leary of when considering his opinion on kozma is he is going off of a 2 minute video clip that is over a year old (that is a video from his summer league team last year). kozma could have already fixed all of the problems that he pointed out for all we know.

the one thing that really made me skeptical of gomez was his love for kyle russell’s swing. sure the guy has power, but he set the all time strikeout record last year on the cape and hit under .200. this year at texas he struck out 64 times in 223 at bats. the guy has major holes in his swing, but gomez just talked about how much he liked it. from reading his articles, i have come to the conclusion that he is all about the power. that is why 2 of his favorites are matt laporta and kyle russell, 2 of the most prolific power hitters in recent college baseball history, and why he doesn’t like guys like kozma and revere. i know that it is impossible to know, but i think if gomez was doing this in the early 90’s he wouldn’t have liked derek jeter’s inside out swing b/c it didn’t have the power potential to be a top 10 pick. now i’m not saying pete kozma is in derek jeter’s class, but i was trying to think of a star player that wouldn’t have fit what gomez likes in a hitter.

if there is anything i have learned from following the draft it is that guys who strikeout a ton in college even if they hit for average and hit for power in college will not make enough contact to hit for average in pro ball. look at guys like tyler greene and drew stubbs from recent years. these guys have all the tools in the world and are better all-around players than russell, hit for a better average than russell in college, but they can’t hit in the minors. in the case of kyle russell, you can have all the power in the world, but if you can’t hit for at least a respectable average you are nothing more than joe borchard. i don’t see how you just totally dismiss that aspect of hitting like gomez seems to do.

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