Comments on: Daily Prospect Report 8/8/07 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:25:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5257 erik Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:08:58 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5257 RE: Wilmer-Scout.com reported it, apparently. RE: Wilmer-Scout.com reported it, apparently.

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5253 azruavatar Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:04:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5253 cariocacardinal - I missed your comment previously. I still see Alvarado on the JC roster, what makes you say he was released? cariocacardinal - I missed your comment previously. I still see Alvarado on the JC roster, what makes you say he was released?

]]> By: lawless http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5239 lawless Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:10:59 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5239 First of all - Thanks as always for the info. Bob was obviously out of line. Now for my gripe! I really like Stavinoha and think he had done a solid job in AAA. You have to take into consideration the fact that he is 25 and had an 800 OPS last year in AA. The good news is that he has great platoon splits - 900+ OPS against lefties (i.e. quite possibly the lefty masher we sync up with a Edmonds, Ank, Dunc next year). I see that as a very useful player if the Platoon splits hold. Especially considering his lofty $15K signing bonus in the '05 draft. So for me, not a dissapointment. I would rather see a guy with the split above then if he had no split and an OPS of 800 this year at AAA.... First of all - Thanks as always for the info. Bob was obviously out of line.

Now for my gripe! I really like Stavinoha and think he had done a solid job in AAA. You have to take into consideration the fact that he is 25 and had an 800 OPS last year in AA. The good news is that he has great platoon splits - 900+ OPS against lefties (i.e. quite possibly the lefty masher we sync up with a Edmonds, Ank, Dunc next year).

I see that as a very useful player if the Platoon splits hold. Especially considering his lofty $15K signing bonus in the ‘05 draft. So for me, not a dissapointment. I would rather see a guy with the split above then if he had no split and an OPS of 800 this year at AAA….

]]> By: Seals http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5237 Seals Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:52:30 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5237 Journalists are taught to write using short paragraphs so the text is easier to read. The article on Clayton Mortenson only looks weird because you're viewing it online. You wouldn't even notice it if you were reading the printed newspaper. Journalists are taught to write using short paragraphs so the text is easier to read.

The article on Clayton Mortenson only looks weird because you’re viewing it online. You wouldn’t even notice it if you were reading the printed newspaper.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5232 fewgoodcards Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:10:46 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5232 speaking of haberer needing protection here are some guys i think need protected no brainers joe mather jarrett hoffpauir rick ankiel jason motte mark worrell should be mike sillman eric haberer could be (as september call-up) chris perez speaking of haberer needing protection here are some guys i think need protected

no brainers
joe mather
jarrett hoffpauir
rick ankiel
jason motte
mark worrell

should be
mike sillman
eric haberer

could be (as september call-up)
chris perez

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5231 erik Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:08:23 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5231 I must've overlooked that comment, but this goes for Bob or anyone here. There will be no insults, no flame wars, or anything of the like. Those types of comments will be deleted and you will find yourself banned. Go to Cards Talk with that sort of crap, got it?!? I must’ve overlooked that comment, but this goes for Bob or anyone here. There will be no insults, no flame wars, or anything of the like. Those types of comments will be deleted and you will find yourself banned. Go to Cards Talk with that sort of crap, got it?!?

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5230 azruavatar Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:58:31 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5230 "that could be said of any pitcher in any game" Yes you can apply this to a lot of situations but the reverse applies as well. Sometimes pitchers allow 3 baserunners but they all score. The point is that Herron stranded 87.5% of his runners last night which is an inordinately high rate. "if all the hits were in a row he would have lost the game, that wasn’t case and usually isn’t." Did you see the Cardinals string together 10-hits against Wells? That was the case and it does happen. Herron's 1-run outing looks nice from a results based standpoint but results based analysis isn't a predictor of future success. If I told you Herron's WHIP was 1.6 would you think that corresponds to an ERA of 1.80? (ERA and WHIP aren't good yardsticks either -- just proving a point.) The luck component of balls in play is often the difference between a 3-run inning and a 1-run inning. “that could be said of any pitcher in any game”

Yes you can apply this to a lot of situations but the reverse applies as well. Sometimes pitchers allow 3 baserunners but they all score. The point is that Herron stranded 87.5% of his runners last night which is an inordinately high rate.

“if all the hits were in a row he would have lost the game, that wasn’t case and usually isn’t.”

Did you see the Cardinals string together 10-hits against Wells? That was the case and it does happen. Herron’s 1-run outing looks nice from a results based standpoint but results based analysis isn’t a predictor of future success. If I told you Herron’s WHIP was 1.6 would you think that corresponds to an ERA of 1.80? (ERA and WHIP aren’t good yardsticks either — just proving a point.) The luck component of balls in play is often the difference between a 3-run inning and a 1-run inning.

]]> By: Daniel http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5227 Daniel Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:27:23 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5227 I kind of agree with Bob, that could be said of any pitcher in any game, take Kip Wells game last night, if all the hits were in a row he would have lost the game, that wasn't case and usually isn't. I kind of agree with Bob, that could be said of any pitcher in any game, take Kip Wells game last night, if all the hits were in a row he would have lost the game, that wasn’t case and usually isn’t.

]]> By: azruavatar http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5223 azruavatar Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:39:16 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5223 Bob - Let's play a game. We each get 8 baserunners like Herron allowed: 2 HBP, 3BBs, 2 singles and a double in 5 innings. Since you don't care how hits/runners are clustered or distributed, I'll take care of yours for you. Your hits will go like this: 1 single, 2 HBP in the first then three outs. 1 single and 2 BBs in the second and then three outs. a double and a walk in the 4th then three outs. You score no runs. My baserunners will go walk, hbp, hbp, double then three outs in the second. In the 5th inning I'll have a walk, walk and consectuive singles. I score 5 runs. You lose - everytime. Herron wasn't getting many groundballs and had zero DP occur behind him. If his baserunners had been redistributed, the outing could have looked very different. The next time you come on the site and proceed to insult my intelligence, do some homework first or maybe try and think about what I've written instead of dismissing it. Bob - Let’s play a game. We each get 8 baserunners like Herron allowed: 2 HBP, 3BBs, 2 singles and a double in 5 innings. Since you don’t care how hits/runners are clustered or distributed, I’ll take care of yours for you. Your hits will go like this: 1 single, 2 HBP in the first then three outs. 1 single and 2 BBs in the second and then three outs. a double and a walk in the 4th then three outs. You score no runs.

My baserunners will go walk, hbp, hbp, double then three outs in the second. In the 5th inning I’ll have a walk, walk and consectuive singles. I score 5 runs. You lose - everytime.

Herron wasn’t getting many groundballs and had zero DP occur behind him. If his baserunners had been redistributed, the outing could have looked very different. The next time you come on the site and proceed to insult my intelligence, do some homework first or maybe try and think about what I’ve written instead of dismissing it.

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5222 erik Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:12:34 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/08/daily-prospect-report-8807/#comment-5222 unclegrub--good to hear he's mashing when the right people watching. unclegrub–good to hear he’s mashing when the right people watching.

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