Comments on: 8/22/07 Daily Prospect Report http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:25:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Paul http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6145 Paul Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:16:46 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6145 By solid #2, I mean that Wainright looks to be DEVELOPING into that By solid #2, I mean that Wainright looks to be DEVELOPING into that

]]> By: Paul http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6144 Paul Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:16:20 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6144 Why do we need a #1 or 2? Carp is an Ace when healthy--no debate. Wainright is starting to look like a solid #2 at WORST. Why do we need a #1 or 2? Carp is an Ace when healthy–no debate. Wainright is starting to look like a solid #2 at WORST.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6139 fewgoodcards Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:23:31 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6139 if you think you are trading for a #1 or #2 starter you are going to have to give up at least 1 of those guys and probably 2 or 3. i wouldn't be so hesitant to trade perez. yes izzy is a FA pretty soon and might retire anyway, but his walks are more than scary. if someone likes him enough for him to be the centerpiece in a trade for a #1 or #2 starter i think you have to do it. if you think you are trading for a #1 or #2 starter you are going to have to give up at least 1 of those guys and probably 2 or 3.

i wouldn’t be so hesitant to trade perez. yes izzy is a FA pretty soon and might retire anyway, but his walks are more than scary. if someone likes him enough for him to be the centerpiece in a trade for a #1 or #2 starter i think you have to do it.

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6135 Chris Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:54:29 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6135 With the Cards in the market in 08 for a #1 or #2 starter a trade should be inevitable. My list of prospects that I think should be untouchable due to their organizational need in the coming years are: 1. Rasmus (given) 2. Perez (Izzy free agent after next year) 3. Garcia (too many impending free agents to be and probably highest ceiling of all our SP in AA or above.) 4. Herron (too much upside to let go) 5. Anderson (only reason not higher because we already got the best defensive catcher in the NL and probably the 3rd best overall behind Martin of LA and McCann of ATL.) Any thoughts? With the Cards in the market in 08 for a #1 or #2 starter a trade should be inevitable. My list of prospects that I think should be untouchable due to their organizational need in the coming years are:
1. Rasmus (given)
2. Perez (Izzy free agent after next year)
3. Garcia (too many impending free agents to be and probably highest ceiling of all our SP in AA or above.)
4. Herron (too much upside to let go)
5. Anderson (only reason not higher because we already got the best defensive catcher in the NL and probably the 3rd best overall behind Martin of LA and McCann of ATL.)

Any thoughts?

]]> By: picklefork http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6132 picklefork Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:21:46 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6132 Greeene is barely acceptable now with his K's and low avg, b/c he plays SS....him moving to another position basically makes him a non-prospect in my book Greeene is barely acceptable now with his K’s and low avg, b/c he plays SS….him moving to another position basically makes him a non-prospect in my book

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6131 Chris Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:32:08 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6131 My thinking is that Greene could possibly be Rolen's replacement after the remaining 3 years on his contract are up. No pressure would be on Greene to shoot through the system and he wouldn't block Kozma when he is ready. Plus, we don't really have a great deal of prospect talent at 3B. Possibilities? My thinking is that Greene could possibly be Rolen’s replacement after the remaining 3 years on his contract are up. No pressure would be on Greene to shoot through the system and he wouldn’t block Kozma when he is ready. Plus, we don’t really have a great deal of prospect talent at 3B. Possibilities?

]]> By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6130 erik Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:59:36 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6130 i will be taking a look tomorrow at who could contribute in 08 and why...maybe work our way down, we will see i will be taking a look tomorrow at who could contribute in 08 and why…maybe work our way down, we will see

]]> By: Paul http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6128 Paul Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:47:06 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6128 Site administrators--- You should do a piece on where you think the prospects end up next year and why. For instance, will Herron bypass Palm Beach and go to Springfield? Why/why not? I am curious to see what everyone on here thinks the organization should do with some of these guys. Steven Hill is another that comes to mind. Site administrators—

You should do a piece on where you think the prospects end up next year and why. For instance, will Herron bypass Palm Beach and go to Springfield? Why/why not? I am curious to see what everyone on here thinks the organization should do with some of these guys. Steven Hill is another that comes to mind.

]]> By: fewgoodcards http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6127 fewgoodcards Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:29:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6127 lou, i think part of the reason in pushing him up to springfield was just trying to keep him away from palm beach. obviously the pitching is better in AA, but the hitting environment is just so much better in springfield and most of the texas league that maybe they thought that would help him out. just look at jose martinez as an example. he wasn't very good at all in palm beach, but has been outstanding in springfield. another thing is he didn't have a whole lot of pressure to produce in that springfield lineup. going into the season they had richardson, mather, rasmus, jay, anderson, and gorecki who they thought would all provide plenty of protection. lou, i think part of the reason in pushing him up to springfield was just trying to keep him away from palm beach. obviously the pitching is better in AA, but the hitting environment is just so much better in springfield and most of the texas league that maybe they thought that would help him out. just look at jose martinez as an example. he wasn’t very good at all in palm beach, but has been outstanding in springfield.

another thing is he didn’t have a whole lot of pressure to produce in that springfield lineup. going into the season they had richardson, mather, rasmus, jay, anderson, and gorecki who they thought would all provide plenty of protection.

]]> By: Lou Schuler http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6126 Lou Schuler Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:42:35 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/08/22/82207-daily-prospect-report/#comment-6126 Chris, what Few said, plus this: Just because a guy is out of action doesn't mean he's out of the team's plans. Brendan Ryan missed all but a month of the 2007 season, and he seems to have made up for lost time. Greene has struck out in a quarter to a third of his plate appearances in the minors, but he also has speed, size, power, and range the others can't match. The Cards probably haven't done him any favors by raising expectations among fans and pushing him through the system so aggressively. They had him in Palm Beach the year he got drafted, and a year later they had to demote him to QC. This season, he probably wasn't ready for AA. If they'd placed him according to his ability instead of the organization's timetable, he'd still have too many strikouts, but all his other numbers would look a lot better than they have so far. Chris, what Few said, plus this:

Just because a guy is out of action doesn’t mean he’s out of the team’s plans. Brendan Ryan missed all but a month of the 2007 season, and he seems to have made up for lost time.

Greene has struck out in a quarter to a third of his plate appearances in the minors, but he also has speed, size, power, and range the others can’t match.

The Cards probably haven’t done him any favors by raising expectations among fans and pushing him through the system so aggressively. They had him in Palm Beach the year he got drafted, and a year later they had to demote him to QC. This season, he probably wasn’t ready for AA.

If they’d placed him according to his ability instead of the organization’s timetable, he’d still have too many strikouts, but all his other numbers would look a lot better than they have so far.

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