Comments on: La Russa Returns http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:22:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Brett S http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8743 Brett S Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:13:51 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8743 Molina faced major league pitching and put up a .708 OPS. Anderson, against AA pitching sported a .738 OPS. I like Anderson as a prospect but he barely outproduced Molina in 2007--and he played in AA. I like Anderson--but let's see how he actually performs at a higher level before claiming hes a better player than Molina. Molina faced major league pitching and put up a .708 OPS. Anderson, against AA pitching sported a .738 OPS. I like Anderson as a prospect but he barely outproduced Molina in 2007–and he played in AA.

I like Anderson–but let’s see how he actually performs at a higher level before claiming hes a better player than Molina.

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By: siddfynch http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8741 siddfynch Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:08:57 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8741 Have any of you guys ever played ball with a shut-down defensive catcher? We can assess the "value" of a catcher's D using advanced stats and whatnot, but it's worth noting that every infielder worth his salt (not to even mention the pitchers) LOVES having an elite defensive C who can quarterback the whole infield. I think the perspective of Yadi's teammates gets lost in these assessments of Anderson/Molina sometimes. There can be extended benefits that are hard to tease out in the stats.... Have any of you guys ever played ball with a shut-down defensive catcher?

We can assess the “value” of a catcher’s D using advanced stats and whatnot, but it’s worth noting that every infielder worth his salt (not to even mention the pitchers) LOVES having an elite defensive C who can quarterback the whole infield.

I think the perspective of Yadi’s teammates gets lost in these assessments of Anderson/Molina sometimes. There can be extended benefits that are hard to tease out in the stats….

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By: Big Red http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8727 Big Red Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:51:58 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8727 Well, in regards to Molina, yeah I do like him. But I've been able to watch him play for 3 years now and have always liked his makeup. And as far as his struggles at hitting (before this year), well I've always attributed it to bad luck. I know 'luck' is really difficult to quantify, but I think he's been a victim. Even when he was a rookie and started the season 0-40 or whatever, as I watched his at bats he always had a very good judge of the strike zone and when he made contact (which is typical of Molina...i.e., doesn't strike out much) he was hitting line drives that seemed to be right at somebody. This continued in 2006 until the playoffs when he played great. This past year he hit just as well and suffered a broken wrist which set him back, but he rebounded to hit in the mid-.270s (after being around .300 earlier in the year) with a .340 obp. Personally, I think he is (and will continue to be) a good hitting catcher, if not really good. And his defense goes beyond blocking balls in the dirt. He shuts down opponents running games. Anyway, I guess we'll just have to disagree on this one. Well, in regards to Molina, yeah I do like him. But I’ve been able to watch him play for 3 years now and have always liked his makeup. And as far as his struggles at hitting (before this year), well I’ve always attributed it to bad luck. I know ‘luck’ is really difficult to quantify, but I think he’s been a victim.

Even when he was a rookie and started the season 0-40 or whatever, as I watched his at bats he always had a very good judge of the strike zone and when he made contact (which is typical of Molina…i.e., doesn’t strike out much) he was hitting line drives that seemed to be right at somebody.

This continued in 2006 until the playoffs when he played great. This past year he hit just as well and suffered a broken wrist which set him back, but he rebounded to hit in the mid-.270s (after being around .300 earlier in the year) with a .340 obp.

Personally, I think he is (and will continue to be) a good hitting catcher, if not really good. And his defense goes beyond blocking balls in the dirt. He shuts down opponents running games.

Anyway, I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this one.

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By: Ryan http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8726 Ryan Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:53:14 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8726 No! Catchers must not be hitters! We need a good-field/no-hit catcher to give the team a gritty identity. Big Red, you seriously can't understand why we love a sweet-swinging 20 year old catcher at Springfield? Wow. No! Catchers must not be hitters! We need a good-field/no-hit catcher to give the team a gritty identity.

Big Red, you seriously can’t understand why we love a sweet-swinging 20 year old catcher at Springfield? Wow.

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By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8724 erik Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:31:09 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8724 Big Red. I guess you like Molina better then I. Yadi has posted EqA's of .241, .229, .209 and .259. That's not good. True, Anderson did fade down the stretch. he's a catcher, it happens. Look at Jarrod Saltalamacchia (Anderson's #4 PECOTA comp). He hit .230/.353./.380 in AA after being considered one of the game's top prospects. He rebounded pretty well this year and re established himself as one of the games better prospects. Anderson is a good prospect. He's young, he will tire from catching. Yadier had to improve blocking balls. Anderson can do the same. Would you rather have a catcher who can hit for a decent average and get on base, and play average d or would you rather have a below average offensive catcher with an elite glove? I think I'd take the guy who can hit. Big Red. I guess you like Molina better then I. Yadi has posted EqA’s of .241, .229, .209 and .259. That’s not good. True, Anderson did fade down the stretch. he’s a catcher, it happens. Look at Jarrod Saltalamacchia (Anderson’s #4 PECOTA comp). He hit .230/.353./.380 in AA after being considered one of the game’s top prospects. He rebounded pretty well this year and re established himself as one of the games better prospects.

Anderson is a good prospect. He’s young, he will tire from catching. Yadier had to improve blocking balls. Anderson can do the same.

Would you rather have a catcher who can hit for a decent average and get on base, and play average d or would you rather have a below average offensive catcher with an elite glove? I think I’d take the guy who can hit.

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By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8723 Chris Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:55:04 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8723 I personally am THRILLED Tony is back. The manager has one job and one job only...to have the MLB team win as many games as possible. Now I like many would rather have seen Hoff get the ABs that Cairo and Miles got when the team fell out of it, but that is no reason to call for Tony's head. A lot of times us fans, including myself sometimes, seem to think the grass is greener on the other side when we should appreciate what we have. Tony just led a marginal team to the World Series last year! Tony is the best manager in baseball. The guy manages the MLB team, not AAA not AA not A. It is the GMs job to put the entire organization in a good position to win for the now and for the future. I understand the argument that LaRussa favors veterans, ALL MLB managers do because if they don't win they get fired-hell ask Joe Torre how you get treated once the manager match ownerships expectations. Tony is abrasive to the media, Tony does favor younger players, he may influence the type of players drafted, he bats the pitcher 8th sometimes...but he also WINS. I love rooting for the young guys, I love following the minor league system, but isn't the payoff having the MLB team win. Am I missing something or hasn't LaRussa led the Cardinals to 2 World Series in the past 4 seasons? Tony and Duncan may have led Reyes down the wrong path mentally and philosophically, but lets not forget the guys they have helped and won with. Tony's preference for veteran players may frustrate us and may not always be in the best interest of tomorrow, but we also are not in the clubhouse. We don't have to worry about clubhouse dynamics. It is fun to speculate and right to question the decisions, but to say Tony LaRussa isn't the right manager and the Cards should just rebuild? I'm sorry but Tony already proved he can bring a medicore team and turn them into World Series Champs. I personally am THRILLED Tony is back. The manager has one job and one job only…to have the MLB team win as many games as possible. Now I like many would rather have seen Hoff get the ABs that Cairo and Miles got when the team fell out of it, but that is no reason to call for Tony’s head. A lot of times us fans, including myself sometimes, seem to think the grass is greener on the other side when we should appreciate what we have. Tony just led a marginal team to the World Series last year! Tony is the best manager in baseball. The guy manages the MLB team, not AAA not AA not A. It is the GMs job to put the entire organization in a good position to win for the now and for the future. I understand the argument that LaRussa favors veterans, ALL MLB managers do because if they don’t win they get fired-hell ask Joe Torre how you get treated once the manager match ownerships expectations. Tony is abrasive to the media, Tony does favor younger players, he may influence the type of players drafted, he bats the pitcher 8th sometimes…but he also WINS. I love rooting for the young guys, I love following the minor league system, but isn’t the payoff having the MLB team win. Am I missing something or hasn’t LaRussa led the Cardinals to 2 World Series in the past 4 seasons? Tony and Duncan may have led Reyes down the wrong path mentally and philosophically, but lets not forget the guys they have helped and won with. Tony’s preference for veteran players may frustrate us and may not always be in the best interest of tomorrow, but we also are not in the clubhouse. We don’t have to worry about clubhouse dynamics. It is fun to speculate and right to question the decisions, but to say Tony LaRussa isn’t the right manager and the Cards should just rebuild? I’m sorry but Tony already proved he can bring a medicore team and turn them into World Series Champs.

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By: UofIx3 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8721 UofIx3 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:09:47 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8721 My only complaint about TLR is that he'll play older guys for the sake of playing older guys, including guys that really have no business anymore getting 400+ ABs. This is especially true if they make 10-15x what a rookie making the minimum can provide (or come close). I thought it was interesting that word of TLR’s new contract came a day after Antonetti’s team was eliminated from the playoffs. Coincidence? I’m not sure. My only complaint about TLR is that he’ll play older guys for the sake of playing older guys, including guys that really have no business anymore getting 400+ ABs. This is especially true if they make 10-15x what a rookie making the minimum can provide (or come close).

I thought it was interesting that word of TLR’s new contract came a day after Antonetti’s team was eliminated from the playoffs. Coincidence? I’m not sure.

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By: Big Red http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8717 Big Red Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:44:41 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8717 Erik, I simply don't get it. "The best situation is to have Anderson start eventually." Why? What exactly has Anderson proven and why are you so in love with him? Seriously, I'm not trying to be an ass, I just don't get the whole anti-Molina thing espeically when the next best catcher in the organization is a 20 year old AA guy who struggled down the stretch and has never been an asset defensively. Personally, I think the best situation would be for Molina to be a perennial All-Star and Gold Glove catcher while Anderson improves to the point where the Cards are able to move him for a serious, top-of-the-line pitching prospect. Or the other way around. Whatever. But what I do know is that if Molina continues to improve on how he hit last season (remembering he broke his wrist in the middle of the season) then it doesn't matter what Anderson does, he's not going to be the defensive catcher Molina is. However, if Molina goes back to hitting .230 then I believe we better hope Anderson is legit. Erik, I simply don’t get it.

“The best situation is to have Anderson start eventually.”

Why? What exactly has Anderson proven and why are you so in love with him? Seriously, I’m not trying to be an ass, I just don’t get the whole anti-Molina thing espeically when the next best catcher in the organization is a 20 year old AA guy who struggled down the stretch and has never been an asset defensively.

Personally, I think the best situation would be for Molina to be a perennial All-Star and Gold Glove catcher while Anderson improves to the point where the Cards are able to move him for a serious, top-of-the-line pitching prospect.

Or the other way around. Whatever.

But what I do know is that if Molina continues to improve on how he hit last season (remembering he broke his wrist in the middle of the season) then it doesn’t matter what Anderson does, he’s not going to be the defensive catcher Molina is. However, if Molina goes back to hitting .230 then I believe we better hope Anderson is legit.

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By: Lou Schuler http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8705 Lou Schuler Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:31:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8705 Todd, I think the lack of GM buzz is simpl discretion on the part of DeWitt and the people he's interviewing. Last week he said he won't be able to make a hire until after the WS, which seems to suggest he's pursuing candidates on the teams that were still in the playoffs at that point. If Jocketty had been fired three years ago, instead of three weeks ago, I would've agreed that he was as good a GM candidate as anyone we could hire to replace him. But after the Mulder trade, which was followed by two seasons' worth of inconsequential moves for spare-part players, ill-advised contract extensions for injured or injury-prone players, and a refusal to go along with organizational changes mandated by his boss, I changed my opinion. I really do think he was unhappy and increasingly unfocused and ineffectual. He jammed up his own payroll with too many players making too much money for their rapidly declining skills. When he took over, the organization was on a treadmill of mediocrity. We were almost entirely dependent on homegrown players who weren't good enough to get us to the next level. DeWitt gave him a bigger payroll and the freedom to deal what he had for what other teams were willing to give away to open up their own payrolls. But the game changed in the past few years. Every team has more money, and nobody is willing to give away superstars in their walk years for marginal prospects anymore. Teams figured out that it made more sense to hang onto those players, stay in contention, and then let them walk for premium draft picks. Jocketty was stuck. He couldn't outbid anyone for the free-agent superstars, and his neglect of player development had left us without any premium players coming up from our own system. He threw himself a nice pity party, but I'm not surprised the owner decided to take his chances with someone else. Todd, I think the lack of GM buzz is simpl discretion on the part of DeWitt and the people he’s interviewing. Last week he said he won’t be able to make a hire until after the WS, which seems to suggest he’s pursuing candidates on the teams that were still in the playoffs at that point.

If Jocketty had been fired three years ago, instead of three weeks ago, I would’ve agreed that he was as good a GM candidate as anyone we could hire to replace him.

But after the Mulder trade, which was followed by two seasons’ worth of inconsequential moves for spare-part players, ill-advised contract extensions for injured or injury-prone players, and a refusal to go along with organizational changes mandated by his boss, I changed my opinion.

I really do think he was unhappy and increasingly unfocused and ineffectual. He jammed up his own payroll with too many players making too much money for their rapidly declining skills.

When he took over, the organization was on a treadmill of mediocrity. We were almost entirely dependent on homegrown players who weren’t good enough to get us to the next level. DeWitt gave him a bigger payroll and the freedom to deal what he had for what other teams were willing to give away to open up their own payrolls.

But the game changed in the past few years. Every team has more money, and nobody is willing to give away superstars in their walk years for marginal prospects anymore. Teams figured out that it made more sense to hang onto those players, stay in contention, and then let them walk for premium draft picks.

Jocketty was stuck. He couldn’t outbid anyone for the free-agent superstars, and his neglect of player development had left us without any premium players coming up from our own system.

He threw himself a nice pity party, but I’m not surprised the owner decided to take his chances with someone else.

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By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8702 erik Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:25:33 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/22/la-russa-returns/#comment-8702 It's something to fret about, because I think Yadi and Anderson could at worst form a decent platoon. The best situation is to have Anderson start eventually. It’s something to fret about, because I think Yadi and Anderson could at worst form a decent platoon. The best situation is to have Anderson start eventually.

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