Comments on: erik’s Top 25 (16-20) http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:22:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: erik http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/#comment-9066 erik Wed, 31 Oct 2007 05:12:55 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/#comment-9066 I don't think Mather is just a pinch hitter, I'm iffy on him but I took him over Martinez because of his overall hitting ability. Martinez was very good in Springfield, but was rather middling for the QC in 06 and for PB earlier this year. The Polanco comp is what he becomes to me on the very highest side. Actually, Polanco didn't even look like a very special prospect coming up. The comp is because he's an extreme contact hitter who walks very little and is a sure fielder at in the IF, though Polanco is probably a lot better defensively. i think he could be regular if he keeps this up, but everywhere i turn around he's billed as a UTIL if. Greene doesn't even make my 25. sorry for the spoiler. I don’t think Mather is just a pinch hitter, I’m iffy on him but I took him over Martinez because of his overall hitting ability. Martinez was very good in Springfield, but was rather middling for the QC in 06 and for PB earlier this year. The Polanco comp is what he becomes to me on the very highest side. Actually, Polanco didn’t even look like a very special prospect coming up. The comp is because he’s an extreme contact hitter who walks very little and is a sure fielder at in the IF, though Polanco is probably a lot better defensively. i think he could be regular if he keeps this up, but everywhere i turn around he’s billed as a UTIL if.

Greene doesn’t even make my 25. sorry for the spoiler.

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/#comment-9055 Chris Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:54:49 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/#comment-9055 I am shocked and disappointed that Martinez is not listed higher than 18. I defintely would have him ranked higher than Joe Mather. The chances of Joe Mather materializing to more than a pinch-hitter are pretty slim. Even if Martinez materializes to the low end of his potential, utility infielder, his value would be higher than a pinch-hitter. I really see Martinez as a solid SS option with the ability be an above average 2B. His defense is considerably higher than Mather in my opinion, his offense that he has shown in comparison to Mather at the same age is better, and his positional value is higher. I would even argue that if you switched Martinez's performance with Greene that I bet everyone would put Greene in the Top 8, so why do we discount Martinez when he has clearly performed at an above average level at the age of 21 in AA? If the comparison is Placido Polanco how does he rank so low, isn't Polanco recognized as a top 2 or 3 2B in all of baseball! Heck if the Cards were to try and swing a trade for Polanco my bet is that it would cost us Anderson and a pitcher like Furnish. If it is believed that he has the talent to compare to Polanco I really believe that he should be ranked significantly higher. Maybe I'm biased because I like him a lot. The only way you can make this up to me Eric is to put Henley in the top 25 somewhere! I agree in putting Walters ahead of Norrick. However, as discussed at length on this site his upside is limited. I can see an argument for Furnish being ranked higher than Walters based on potential, but I am alright with ranking Walters ahead for now. Not really in arguments except for Martinez. I just don't see how he can't be in the top 15 at least. I am shocked and disappointed that Martinez is not listed higher than 18. I defintely would have him ranked higher than Joe Mather. The chances of Joe Mather materializing to more than a pinch-hitter are pretty slim. Even if Martinez materializes to the low end of his potential, utility infielder, his value would be higher than a pinch-hitter. I really see Martinez as a solid SS option with the ability be an above average 2B. His defense is considerably higher than Mather in my opinion, his offense that he has shown in comparison to Mather at the same age is better, and his positional value is higher. I would even argue that if you switched Martinez’s performance with Greene that I bet everyone would put Greene in the Top 8, so why do we discount Martinez when he has clearly performed at an above average level at the age of 21 in AA? If the comparison is Placido Polanco how does he rank so low, isn’t Polanco recognized as a top 2 or 3 2B in all of baseball! Heck if the Cards were to try and swing a trade for Polanco my bet is that it would cost us Anderson and a pitcher like Furnish. If it is believed that he has the talent to compare to Polanco I really believe that he should be ranked significantly higher. Maybe I’m biased because I like him a lot. The only way you can make this up to me Eric is to put Henley in the top 25 somewhere!

I agree in putting Walters ahead of Norrick. However, as discussed at length on this site his upside is limited. I can see an argument for Furnish being ranked higher than Walters based on potential, but I am alright with ranking Walters ahead for now.

Not really in arguments except for Martinez. I just don’t see how he can’t be in the top 15 at least.

]]> By: Todd http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/#comment-9043 Todd Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:52:07 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/10/29/eriks-top-25-part-2-16-20/#comment-9043 From the presentation, it sounds like 19-20 are better prospects than 16-18. Surely Norrick and Furnish have more upside than Walters - Walters has had success, but he sounds like a long shot. I was excited to see we had a 21 yr old SS in AA that was putting up numbers. I hope Martinez out-foxes the experts. From the presentation, it sounds like 19-20 are better prospects than 16-18. Surely Norrick and Furnish have more upside than Walters - Walters has had success, but he sounds like a long shot.

I was excited to see we had a 21 yr old SS in AA that was putting up numbers. I hope Martinez out-foxes the experts.

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