Comments on: Reader Top 25, #4 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/ Baseball's Future in the Gateway City Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:26:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-10052 Chris Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:05:15 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-10052 Sid...My point for taking Perez is based on his value to the organization, pure "stuff", and his performance at a higher level than our starter prospects. I think the thing to remember about Perez in comparison to our starter prospects is that he strikes out a ton of batters and no one can get a hit off the guy. Perez has the type of stuff and numbers that parlay into a dominant type closer. Perez isn't a finished product by any means, but if I had to bet on him lowering his walk rates and developing into an above average closer I'd take that bet. Sid…My point for taking Perez is based on his value to the organization, pure “stuff”, and his performance at a higher level than our starter prospects. I think the thing to remember about Perez in comparison to our starter prospects is that he strikes out a ton of batters and no one can get a hit off the guy. Perez has the type of stuff and numbers that parlay into a dominant type closer. Perez isn’t a finished product by any means, but if I had to bet on him lowering his walk rates and developing into an above average closer I’d take that bet.

]]> By: houstoncardinal http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9986 houstoncardinal Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:17:40 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9986 Perez Perez

]]> By: bwit43 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9972 bwit43 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:15:27 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9972 Gall...i mean Herron Gall…i mean Herron

]]> By: siddfynch http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9969 siddfynch Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:02:48 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9969 Chris, the problem is see with Perez is that a lot of failed starters can be turned into closers, and a lot of guys groomed as closers in the minors just turn out to be setup guys. So right there, it a) means that Perez's "destined" spot could be filled by guys not even on the radar as relievers, and b) the track record for relievers with great stuff but no control is anything but solid. I like Perez, don't get me wrong, but his control at AA was NOT good, and that was the stop at which his showing was strongest. Herron and Mortenson both, by contrast, show pretty much no blemishes in their foundational peripherals (is that an oxymoron?), and thus seem like better prospects than all but the most slam-dunks of the closers-in-waiting. Chris, the problem is see with Perez is that a lot of failed starters can be turned into closers, and a lot of guys groomed as closers in the minors just turn out to be setup guys. So right there, it a) means that Perez’s “destined” spot could be filled by guys not even on the radar as relievers, and b) the track record for relievers with great stuff but no control is anything but solid. I like Perez, don’t get me wrong, but his control at AA was NOT good, and that was the stop at which his showing was strongest.

Herron and Mortenson both, by contrast, show pretty much no blemishes in their foundational peripherals (is that an oxymoron?), and thus seem like better prospects than all but the most slam-dunks of the closers-in-waiting.

]]> By: Chris http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9966 Chris Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:38:02 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9966 I am going to have to go with Perez. I am torn here because I really wanted to say Ottavino, Mortenson, or Herron. I am going with Perez for a couple reasons. He has a filthy combo of fastball and slider that produced great results at AA and solid results at AAA. He has passed the test of being able to perform at a higher level than any of our starter prospects. I am also going with him because of the importance of his status in the organization. Izzy's option was picked up, but wasn't extended which is a pretty big statement. That to me means that the Cards brass is counting on Perez being the full time closer in 09. If the Cards weren't sure he'd be ready then they would have extended Izzy much like they did with Edmonds' contract. He will fill a role that just had Todd Jones get $7 million to resign. Anytime you can fill a prominent role such as closer and have a guy that could potentially be very very good making the major league min. that is major. If Perez doesn't work out we could end up spending a crap load of money on a retread like Jones or you will see a closer by committee which can get pretty ugly. I am going to have to go with Perez. I am torn here because I really wanted to say Ottavino, Mortenson, or Herron. I am going with Perez for a couple reasons. He has a filthy combo of fastball and slider that produced great results at AA and solid results at AAA. He has passed the test of being able to perform at a higher level than any of our starter prospects. I am also going with him because of the importance of his status in the organization. Izzy’s option was picked up, but wasn’t extended which is a pretty big statement. That to me means that the Cards brass is counting on Perez being the full time closer in 09. If the Cards weren’t sure he’d be ready then they would have extended Izzy much like they did with Edmonds’ contract. He will fill a role that just had Todd Jones get $7 million to resign. Anytime you can fill a prominent role such as closer and have a guy that could potentially be very very good making the major league min. that is major. If Perez doesn’t work out we could end up spending a crap load of money on a retread like Jones or you will see a closer by committee which can get pretty ugly.

]]> By: cardsfan1 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9959 cardsfan1 Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:37:17 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9959 the big o the big o

]]> By: TimJ http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9957 TimJ Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:28:22 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9957 Ottavino Ottavino

]]> By: tyler http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9955 tyler Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:55:28 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9955 I'm going to vote Boggs also. Perez and probably Ottavino and Herron have more upside, but I think Boggs has a very good chance of being a solid 3-4 starter who eats ~200 innings a year with a middling ERA and occasional flashes of brilliance for a number of years. I think that might wind up being more valuable for the Cardinals in the long run then a lights out closer. I’m going to vote Boggs also. Perez and probably Ottavino and Herron have more upside, but I think Boggs has a very good chance of being a solid 3-4 starter who eats ~200 innings a year with a middling ERA and occasional flashes of brilliance for a number of years. I think that might wind up being more valuable for the Cardinals in the long run then a lights out closer.

]]> By: Carlos http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9953 Carlos Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:49:20 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9953 Ottavino Ottavino

]]> By: Justin http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9952 Justin Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:44:35 +0000 http://futureredbirds.com/2007/11/12/reader-top-25-4/#comment-9952 Perez Perez

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